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Hello! Get to the point.
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Wed, 1 Feb 2012 7:52:41
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You can never tell  - 

My first summer job between semesters at college was selling magazines door to door in rural PA.

There were two "on the spot" firing offenses. Getting caught in bed with a customer and skipping a house because of appearance.

And I think they were more serious about the second one. Please know - this was 1965 and a sizable percentage of the houses had little houses behind them because there was no indoor plumbing.

The supervisors went where we'd been that week and asked the people in the absolute worst looking houses if a salesman had been to talk to them. If not, FIRED.

Tom

 
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From: D Welch <jtdjtd@tiac.net>
To: AirstreamList@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [A/S] Tow vehicle buying services

They better pay attention to the little woman too.

I decided on the car to get, took myself and the two kids in to look at
it and was all but thrown out of the dealership.  He, the salesman in
the white buck shoes ( no , really) told me to come back with my husband.

I came back with my husband, and the shoes nearly wet himself trying to
sell him a car I didn't want.  Finally, my husband told the guy it was
my car and I could have what I wanted and walked out.  The kids and I
went back to our car shopping with the shoes in close attendance, but
embarrassed silence.  He didn't even go with us on the test drive.  I
did buy that car, but not there.  The kids and I barely restrained
ourselves from getting sticky chocolate all over the showroom in revenge.

It makes no sense at all to discourage a possible customer, no matter
what a long shot they may look like.  And besides, it's bad manners.

Daisy

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They better pay attention to the little woman too.

I decided on the car to get, took myself and the two kids in to look at
it and was all but thrown out of the dealership. He, the salesman in
the white buck shoes ( no , really) told me to come back with my husband.

I came back with my husband, and the shoes nearly wet himself trying to
sell him a car I didn't want. Finally, my husband told the guy it was
my car and I could have what I wanted and walked out. The kids and I
went back to our car shopping with the shoes in close attendance, but
embarrassed silence. He didn't even go with us on the test drive. I
did buy that car, but not there. The kids and I barely restrained
ourselves from getting sticky chocolate all over the showroom in revenge.

It makes no sense at all to discourage a possible customer, no matter
what a long shot they may look like. And besides, it's bad manners.

Daisy

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6IPlOEvrc&feature=youtu.be

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Steve Pfiffner wrote:
> I grew up over the sales counter of the family Welding Supply Co., my
> father a master salesman had rules that applied to everyone that worked for
> him. The first and most important was "Never judge or talk down to a
> customer", didn't matter if they were buying a 75 cent pack of striker
> flints or $10,000 worth of welding machines.
>
> Steve

My experience, when I owned a tack shop.... the yuppies came in dressed
to the nines.... the old money came in wearing barn clothes....

I never judged them by their clothes or their vehicle.....

Hunter

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Being old, or at least old-er, I remember the days when salespersons avoided scruffy customer, then as years passed, began to check out shoes as scruffy clothing but good shoes gave a person away as having some money. Nowadays, at least in our area, with so many people winning lotteries and so many computer nerds striking it rich, any salesperson with a brain treats even the homeless as prospective customers. I never dress for success when dealing for an automobile. Jeans and a Harley T-Shirt, with a leather jacket and jack boots are my normal garb, and I ain't changing it to attract sales people. Motorcycle dealerships don't slight me, so car dealers better not if they want my business. I have to admit, I have never been made to feel uncomfortable, or undervalued at a car dealership, so maybe some of them have learned a thing or two over the years. Now, if only memory did not go with age, I would be on top of the world, lol.

> Anne Pearse Hocker wrote: "I just don't think I'm ready for a franchise dealership again."
>
> and Hunter replied " ..... in jeans and an old ski parka. I stopped at the Mercedes dealer in Greenwich and went inside.....

and Jim Whitworth <dadswhitsend@...> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember Joan Baez (sp?) had the same experience with a Jag dealership. In the same kind of clothes, nobody would show her
> the time of day, so she scooted up on the hood of the car & the sales staff came running, assuming the rivets in her jeans would scratch the
> car's paint. I don't remember now if she bought or swaggered out.

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What has always worked for me, is knowing the dealers cost price of the vehicle, and negotiating up from there instead of trying to go down from the MSRP. Here in Canada, we have www.carcostcanada, which for a fifty dollar investment will give me the cost of three autos, complete with all options that I am looking for. A subscription to the consumers guide should do the same in the U.S. but you folks may also have the equivalent of our carcostcanada site. My last three trucks, I have paid $1200 over dealer cost for. I walked into the dealership and said, how much do you feel you need to make on a truck sale. The salesperson said that the dealership liked to make $1200, which I then added to my cost analysis, and I offered him that amount for the truck I wanted. I had do be firm about it, but two dealerships have sold me trucks for that amount over dealer cost for the last three I have purchased. It required that I know specifically what I wanted, and that I drop fifty bucks on carcost for the dealer cost information (three times, for a total now of $150). In addition, carcostcanada gave me a $100 coupon redeamable when I purchased the vehicle in question. The dealerships I dealt with would not honor it, but for a hundred bucks, I was not going to a different province to get a truck. This has worked for me - others mileage may vary. Suffice to say that knowledge is power. Go onto the manufacturers web sites and "build" the vehicle you want, and print it out. Then go look at the stickers on the models normally stocked by your closest dealers and decide what you can and cannot live without, and then find the dealers cost and deal from there. If they will not deal, find another dealership. I had to do that on the first truck I got these prices on, but after that, my local dealership learned that I would go elsewhere, and began to deal fairly, or as fairly as one can expect from a car dealer, lol.

--- In AirstreamList@yahoogroups.com, Anne Pearse Hocker <aph948@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> I just barely escaped with my life from a classic car dealership buying experience. I wound up walking out and almost ran back to my old truck.
>
> I think the standard negotiating process with the old tricks of leaving you to sit for lengthy periods of time while they "talk to the boss," doing the dreaded four-square deal scribbled on a blank sheet of paper, and the topper, when you walk down that narrow hall to be entombed in a small office where the "financial and insurance guy" proceeds to try to recoup any savings you fought for on the showroom floor....well, let's just say it didn't work for me.
>
> I will probably never submit to it again, and am wondering if anyone has had any experience with car (or truck in this case) buying services? I know you have to pay for their service, but if it will eliminate the traditional showroom/dealership experience, I might be willing to do that.
>
> I am also looking online through edmunds.com (and the search area they allow) and Carmax, but I just don't think I'm ready for a franchise dealership again.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Anne in Va
>

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I seem to remember Joan Baez (sp?) had the same experience with a Jag dealership. In the same kind of clothes, nobody would show her
the time of day, so she scooted up on the hood of the car & the sales staff came running, assuming the rivets in her jeans would scratch the
car's paint. I don't remember now if she bought or swaggered out.

I always take life with a grain of salt . . . . plus a slice of lime & several shots of a very good chilled tequila. 
 
Anne Pearse Hocker wrote: "I just don't think I'm ready for a franchise dealership again." 

and Hunter replied " ..... in jeans and an old ski parka. I stopped at the Mercedes dealer in Greenwich and went inside.....
there were maybe 6-7 salesmen along the edges of the showroom..... they all pretended to be busy. I know they were just hoping
I would leave. I went outside and was getting into my car when a salesman rolled up from lunch..... "Can I help you?" 
Hmmm... that's better I thought. "Yes, I want a 300D, navy blue, sunroof, tan leather...." We walked into the showroom, the other
salesmen all watching as I sat down and wrote a check <g> Considering my last experience, buying this truck, I have little use for
dealers right now.

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Camilla wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Hunter Hampton <airstreamingypsy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Me: "This truck pulling hard to the right......"
>>
>> Salesman: "They build them that way so if you fall asleep at the wheel
>> you won't drift into oncoming traffic....." (I swear that's what he said)
>
> What a creep
>

It still strikes me funny.... how stupid can people be? I got off the
next exit and took him, and the truck back to the dealer,. Needless to
say I'd never buy from him.

Hunter

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On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Hunter Hampton <airstreamingypsy@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Me: "This truck pulling hard to the right......"
>
> Salesman: "They build them that way so if you fall asleep at the wheel
> you won't drift into oncoming traffic....." (I swear that's what he said)

What a creep

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I would not let the cost of replacing tires govern my choice. That is
so small in comparison to usual costs for most of us that it is just
not important, IMO.

In addition to our 34 ft AS, last year we bought a Northern Lite
fiberglass slide-in camper and the truck loves it. We used it on a 28
day trip to/from the Albuquerque balloon festival (joined the AS
rally there - it was buddy) and found it very comfortable. We could
not tow the AS with it, though - it sticks out too far.

Jerry 4404

At 06:57 PM 1/30/2012, you wrote:
>I want to explore some of those inviting two tracks out west where
>Airstreams are just not a good choice. The idea of having a scaled
>down slide-in camper and the ability to tow the Airstream, or a
>utility trailer, has started to look interesting. Yes, I know there
>are six tires. The upside to a dually is stability in crosswinds,
>the downside is the extra cost of replacing tires. I haven't made a
>firm decision yet but I only know I won't go through the dealership
>dance again.
>
>Anne in VA

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Jerry Flanders wrote:
> I have a dually, a 2003 Dodge diesel 3500 long bed.
>
> I hate parking it in a crowded parking lot, but otherwise it is the
> _ideal_ two vehicle. When I first put it on the road with my 34 FT AS
> and my reese hitch, I was amazed at the stability - apparently the
> extra four tire sidewalls add enough stiffness to make it ride as if
> the whole rig was on rails.
>
> I have used many different tow vehicles in over 40 years of towing
> travel trailers, and this one is the best ever.>

I have a one ton SRW and I can't argue.... I adore this truck.... in
spite of what happened. )c:

I just wouldn't want to have to buy six 18" or 20" inch tires at once.
>
> Don't know if the tow capacity is actually lower - I think I have not
> heard that before. Maybe lower by the amount of the weight of the extra wheels?
>
Yes, the more the truck weighs the less the tow capacity.

The heaviest Airstream isn't a challenge though.

Hunter

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